Ohio NT Giant

[HuntinIN]

pic from NAW Ohio forum. Sais should be legit green 295"nt
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/eswilliams/amishbuck2.jpg

[Rowdy]

Now thats just amazing.

[HuntinIN]

from awesomeantlers.com: This buck was shot in Adams County, Ohio on October 14th. The mans name is John Schumucker and I'm sure we will here that name more often after 60 days this monster has 36 scoreable points and nets around 295 in. Congrats To John

Crossbow?

[dleslie217]

WOW !!!!! Even the head looks huge.

[JL]

Crossbow?
Affirmative on the crossbow.

[BRICH60]

HOW DOES SOMETHING THAT LARGE EVEN WALK THROUGH THE BRUSH? THAT DEER IS SIMPLY AMAZING, TOO BAD IT WAS SHOT WITH A CROSSBOW.

[trdtnlbwhntr]

Geez ill bet he could get two four wheelers and a king cab truck for that baby.... hahaha sorry i couldnt resist. impressive its too bad a crossbow took him out. A monster like that deserves better. Im not saying the guy that shot him is a lazy person but for some reason crossbows conjure up that image to me. If he doesnt have a legit disability then its bs and that deer will never get the recognition he deserves
Just my two cents. and im sure im gonna take a beating over what i said. That deer is definately a big'un.

[lilkrou]

Holy cow, er, deer! I think that I would about mess myself if I actually saw something that big in the woods!:yikes:

[Rowdy]

, TOO BAD IT WAS SHOT WITH A CROSSBOW.

The guy shot a deer of 20 lifetimes and you gotta piss on it by saying something stupid like that, JEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZ!

[oldrookie]

I agree! It beats high powered rifle 400 yards out! Congrats on the harvest.

oldrookie

[Treehugger1971]

That is amazing. Congrates to the lucky hunter. As far as the crossbow goes in my opinion, you still have to do everything right to get them close enough for a crossbow,its not a gun hes shooting guys no more range than the bows we carry with us.

[treehugger]

HOW DOES SOMETHING THAT LARGE EVEN WALK THROUGH THE BRUSH? THAT DEER IS SIMPLY AMAZING, TOO BAD IT WAS SHOT WITH A CROSSBOW.
trdtnlbwhntrGeez ill bet he could get two four wheelers and a king cab truck for that baby.... hahaha sorry i couldnt resist. impressive its too bad a crossbow took him out. A monster like that deserves better. Im not saying the guy that shot him is a lazy person but for some reason crossbows conjure up that image to me. If he doesnt have a legit disability then its bs and that deer will never get the recognition he deserves
Just my two cents. and im sure im gonna take a beating over what i said. That deer is definately a big'un.


You guys can't be serious??? That's like a bowhunter saying that a Boone and Crockett buck doesn't count because it was killed with a firearm. Give the guy some credit, he took the beast legally with a legal weapon. There would be some that would say the equipment we use shouldn't be used since many of us, me included, have wounded deer and not found them.

[trdtnlbwhntr]

alright so maybe im a little rough on the fact that the deer was shot with a crossbow. Im not ragging on this guy or his choice of weapon... i dont think crossbows should be legal in the early season as it is. We can turn this into a crossbow debate but it was kind of nice sitting around here and not hearing the complaining about stuff. Honestly though if you think the crossbow is not a gun you are sadly mistaken. It has a stock, safety, trigger, scope, forend, and is shouldered. How many "bows" do you know that can do that. Sounds like a gun to me.

Its a great deer by any stretch of the tape. However im not going to say that I liked the way the deer was killed. If you want me to say oh well he deserves it he shouldered his crossbow like a professional and put the crosshairs on his shoulder and squeezed the trigger and he killed that deer with a bow... not going to happen thats my stance you can have yours Ill keep mine. Still it doesnt take away from the size of the animal. that buck has all the respect in the world from me, he is an absolute monster that grew up in probably a pressured area and was going to die an old man, but he made one mistake and the guy capitalized. Way to go congrats on a monster. But like i said earlier i dont like the fact it was killed with a crossbow.

[QuailDancer]

Crossbow or not, wow, what a deer. You still have to have your act together to get that close. In his defence, and others that have to use the crossbow, better that than tell the man, sorry you'll have to sit this season out. Good friend of mine must use one...more power to him, glad to have him out hunting with us.
On that note...if you can use a bow, I believe you should...if you can't, god bless the crossbow that keeps our fellow hunters in the field for another year.

[treehugger]

alright so maybe im a little rough on the fact that the deer was shot with a crossbow. Im not ragging on this guy or his choice of weapon... i dont think crossbows should be legal in the early season as it is. We can turn this into a crossbow debate but it was kind of nice sitting around here and not hearing the complaining about stuff. Honestly though if you think the crossbow is not a gun you are sadly mistaken. It has a stock, safety, trigger, scope, forend, and is shouldered. How many "bows" do you know that can do that. Sounds like a gun to me.
I know what you are saying...BUT...how can we as hunters rag on another hunter for using a weapon that is legal in the state in which he took the deer whether you or anyone else agrees with it or not. Just because a high powered rifle isn't legal in Indiana but it is in another state does that make a trophy animal less than the trophy that it is or the hunter less than the hunter he is? I don't particularly like high powered rifles or hunting with them the way I see others do on TV but I'm sure not going to take away from a guy that has taken an animal that is world class. I firearms hunt too but would rather take a good one with bow over gun...BUT...it will not diminish the fact if I take a good one with a gun and I will not apologize for it.

[HuntinIN]

The guy in the pic isn't the hunter. Supposedly, the guy that harvested the buck is amish and will not let anyone take his picture. Guess his crossbow must have had a dull finish, also.:coco:

[bigling97]

I, personally coulnd'nt give a damn if it was shot with a spitball gun. What an awesome animal. Shame on you guys for ragging on him. Some hunters do things illegal to bag their game and never get the crap this guy is getting for harvesting an animal while using legal ways. Like someone previously posted he still had to do alot of things right to get that monster in shooting range.

[JL]

I don't know...the guy seems like he "did his homework" looong before the season. He watched this animal for several months from his barn roof, patterning the animal...noting the time and which bucks preceded him into the field. I'll get the article for you and post it here...it's a pretty good read.

[JL]

By TOM CROSS
Sportsmen

The Amish buck had a home and John Schmucker knew his address. Having observed the old buck for the past three years, the buck had grown in both size and notoriety.

Knowledge of the buck was a little kept secret within the Amish community on Wheat Ridge in Adams County. Only a few hunters outside the Amish community knew of the buck's existence, and they weren't talking, either. It became the secret of Wheat Ridge, spoken only within the hushed gatherings of a few local Amish deer hunters who had personally seen the old buck and its magnificent rack.

Dave Raber, who is a neighbor to Schmucker, said even though the buck was well known within the community, he was confident if the buck survived the hunting season, it would find safety during the offseason within the farmland of the Amish community.

"We knew where the deer was staying, and it was surrounded by Amish farms," said Raber. "So we knew no one within the Amish community would poach him and the buck would be protected."

The first time Schmucker saw the buck was in August of 2004 standing in a 22-acre hayfield not far from his home. John observed the deer only three times during that late August and early September. "Same hayfield," said Schmucker.

In 2005, John again saw the buck, two evenings in a row, in the same hayfield as the previous year.

"We never saw the deer during the summer, just in late August or early September standing in the same hayfield," said John, "And, then never saw him again the rest of the year."

During 2006, Schmucker observed the big buck on numerous occasions.

"This year I saw him in May, and the hayfield is now a bean field and he was just starting to get his rack," said Schmucker. "I didn't see him again until early July, and then I didn't see him until the rack was pretty much done growing the last of July. During August and September I saw him almost every night come out into the same bean field and feed. I would climb up on the barn roof in the evenings and watch for him. If he was out there, you could see him"

"Out of a week I probably saw him five times," said Schmucker. "He never came out of the same corner, maybe one night the buck would come out at one end, then the next night the deer came out the other end. There was a corn field with woods on both sides I figured he stayed in, sometimes the buck came out of the woods, sometimes out of the corn."

John would usually observe the buck during the summer evenings. "Usually just before dark, sometimes he would come out 7, 7:30, and a lot of time you could only see him for 15 to 20 minutes before it was two dark."

"Not everybody saw the deer, only four of us saw him in 2006," said John, "There was another Amish hunter who had seen him that was after him, but he hadn't started hunting yet."

John was the first one to see the deer in 2004, and then a neighbor saw the buck cross a road that same year while riding in a truck. By 2006, and after several sightings, word of the Amish buck spread around the community and drew the attention of several local deer hunters. Everybody who hunted knew something was in the wind. John said he knew of three Amish hunters and three other non-Amish hunters who were after the buck.

"You would see the deer during late summer but the buck always disappeared come fall," said Schmucker. "He would hunker down somewhere or go nocturnal."

John said the buck left plenty of big rubs and scrapes during the 2005 hunting season. "So I knew he was there," said Schmucker. "Where I saw the deer during the summer was the same place I would see his sign during the fall."

Other then observing the buck at a distance, Schmucker never intruded on the corn or bean field during the summer of 2006. "I just stayed out of there; I didn't go into the woods until opening day that evening."

Rain on that opening Saturday morning, September 30, of Ohio's bow season had canceled out work for the day. "So I was driving [working] my horse until noon," said Schmucker. "It was the first time we had him hooked to a buggy."

Around noon Schmucker was finished with the horse, and prepared to go hunting that evening. "It was probably about three thirty when I got everything ready to go and it took about 20 minutes to get back there," said Schmucker.

"I kind of knew the area I wanted to be in, but I had to wait to get back there to find a tree I wanted to climb." Schmucker had carried his climbing stand and his second hand crossbow to the edge of the bean field in a fence row near where he had observed the buck so many times that summer.

"I spent a few minutes locating a tree," said John, "and I quickly picked the best available tree and went about 18 feet up. There was one branch I had to clear from the shooting lane. I hoisted my equipment up and sat down; I was ready to go by 4:30."

"Around five o'clock I saw two small bucks," said Schmucker, "a six pointer and a small eight pointer about 100 yards away come into the bean field. It was windy, cloudy, overcast, and sprinkling rain."

About a half hour later another small buck, a three pointer, came into the bean field. "During the summer I would watch this small three point buck come out first, and then the big one would follow about five minutes later," said Schmucker. "When I saw the three pointer come out, I knew the big one was close by."

"The small buck came out of the corn field into the woods and then jumped the fence into the bean field about 5:30 to feed," said Schmucker. "After the small buck came out the big one followed about five minutes later and he came through the corn and jumped the fence right into the bean field"

According to Schmucker, about 70 yards separated the big buck from the six and eight pointer already feeding in the field. "Then the big buck picked up his head, checked the wind and started feeding. After a while the six and eight pointer started to feed closer to the bigger buck."

"When the eight pointer got close, the big buck stretched out his neck looking at him, and the other one came up to smell him," said Schmucker. "That's when the big one made a threatening lunge at the eight pointer and started chasing both small bucks and that's when they started heading my way."

The three deer left in the bean field calmly walked and fed toward John, with the big one feeding and intently watching the eight pointer.

"The big one came toward the eight pointer, I figured he was going to chase him the way he was acting," said Schmucker. "He was feeding, watching the eight pointer, and slowly coming my way."

The buck gets into the opening at the edge of the bean field and John levels the crosshairs of his crossbow scope on the deer, "It didn't take me long to take the shot."

The deer twisted and bolted to Johns left and then took out across the bean field, the remaining smaller bucks ran for a short distance along the fence row then stopped. A tree blocked John's view of the buck he had just shot but he could see the other bucks looking toward the big one as it ran across the field.

"The smaller bucks started stopping their feet and snorted, I heard a crash out in the bean field and then they took off," said Schmucker. "It looked like a good shot."

After five minutes John got out of stand and walked over to where he had made the shot. "I found the arrow about two feet beyond where the buck was standing"

After Schmucker found the arrow which confirmed he had made a good hit, he gathered up his equipment and tree stand, and returned home. "I called my brother in law, Gary Miller, and he came over, and my neighbor and his boy came over to help me too," said Schmucker. "Then we walked back to where I made the shot and started to follow the blood trail. About eighty yards from where I shot him he was piled up."

Word spread fast throughout the small tightly knit Amish community that the big buck had been taken. "For three days solid I had a lot of people over here," said Schmucker.

Schmucker called a neighbor to help take the deer to a checking station in Peebles. When John returned from the check station a large crowd of people had gathered. "I could barely get in the driveway," said Schmucker, "as soon as we got in and got the deer out of the truck everybody was right there taking pictures and admiring the deer. It was about 11:30 that night before I could finally skin the deer out."

For three days people came from all over Adams County and neighboring counties to see the massive buck that John Schmucker had taken, as word of the big Amish buck spread rapidly across the local deer hunting community.

The buck was green scored two days later by Jason Schrock, an official scorer for the Ohio Buckeye Big Buck Club. The buck's gross green score was 304 non-typical, it had 36 score-able points, an inside spread of 26-2/8 inches, after deductions the rack scored an amazing 295-7/8. After a 60 day drying period the deer will be officially scored by a panel of scorers from the Buckeye Big Buck Club.

It hasn't quite sunk into John Schmucker that he has taken a buck so large that it will rank as one of the top whitetails of all time. "Every time I seen him I think is this actually the one that was walking around back there," said Schmucker. "Its just now sinking in that I really did get the big one."

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Thanks ....james

[BowHunter007]

I agree with treehugger 100% Good kill, Great Buck!

I know what you are saying...BUT...how can we as hunters rag on another hunter for using a weapon that is legal in the state in which he took the deer whether you or anyone else agrees with it or not. Just because a high powered rifle isn't legal in Indiana but it is in another state does that make a trophy animal less than the trophy that it is or the hunter less than the hunter he is? I don't particularly like high powered rifles or hunting with them the way I see others do on TV but I'm sure not going to take away from a guy that has taken an animal that is world class. I firearms hunt too but would rather take a good one with bow over gun...BUT...it will not diminish the fact if I take a good one with a gun and I will not apologize for it.

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Good post Eric... Man that Deer looks good on the Front Page!!!!!!!:yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

[Duckz-N-Buckz30]

Wow OBR can work if given the time needed. What a great buck!

[Dean Weimer]

The buck is reported to have been killed on Sept. 30th. Someone stated that it was shot on October 14th earlier in the thread.

[JL]

Killed on Sept. 30...opening day of archery in Ohio.

[Rowdy]

alright Honestly though if you think the crossbow is not a gun you are sadly mistaken. It has a stock, safety, trigger, scope, forend, and is shouldered. How many "bows" do you know that can do that. Sounds like a gun to me..That shoots a shaft with razors on one end and feathers on the other.

[Rowdy]

Crossbow or not, wow, what a deer. You still have to have your act together to get that close. In his defence, and others that have to use the crossbow, better that than tell the man, sorry you'll have to sit this season out. Good friend of mine must use one...more power to him, glad to have him out hunting with us.
On that note...if you can use a bow, I believe you should...if you can't, god bless the crossbow that keeps our fellow hunters in the field for another year.
Well said.

[BRICH60]

UNLIKE JOHN KERRY, I WILL RETRACT MY EARLIER POSTED " CROSSBOW" COMMENT . IT WAS PROBABLY OUT OF LINE. I ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IT WAS SHOT LEGALLY AND THE HUNTER DESERVES ANY CREDIT THAT HE WILL GET. IT IS TRULY A WORLD CLASS WHITETAIL. I APPARENTLY LET MY PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT THAT WEAPON GET THE BEST OF ME.

[HuntinIN]

Being amish, it kind of struck me funny that he would use a crossbow. Thought maybe someone of that sort would make a long bow out of osage or something of that nature. Just a thought.:coco:

[treehugger]

OOOOOHHHHH!!!!!! THE HUNTER IS AMISH! I thought the deer was. My bad.

[Scott Werstler]

Well, atleast him being Amish no one needs to worry about it being traded for a 4 wheeler and a used pick up.................wait, with the Amish guys I know around me we might.

[JL]

Well, atleast him being Amish no one needs to worry about it being traded for a 4 wheeler and a used pick up.................wait, with the Amish guys I know around me we might.
Same here...

[Corkster]

Where's the Amish guy

[lilkrou]

Where's the Amish guy
The Amish do not like their photos taken, at least one that shows their face...

[bigmac]

This is one awesome deer - They had s small little article in the Dec issue of North American Whitetail - this deer is going to be the main article in the Jan issue of NAW. Should be an awesome story but the taker of this nice buck is Amish so they will not have his picture in the magizine.

[dleslie217]

Well, atleast him being Amish no one needs to worry about it being traded for a 4 wheeler and a used pick up.................wait, with the Amish guys I know around me we might.
Maybe he'd trade for a new buckboard and a team of mules ??

[buckhead]

you see why people don't like this site you have got to put someone down that did better than you slugs you just can't be happy for a hunter that did it the right way i could see all the negative commits if it had been poached but here sits a bunch of men that have nothing to do but whinejealousy get you nowhere it makes you look stupid

[dleslie217]

you see why people don't like this site you have got to put someone down that did better than you slugs you just can't be happy for a hunter that did it the right way i could see all the negative commits if it had been poached but here sits a bunch of men that have nothing to do but whinejealousy get you nowhere it makes you look stupid
Oh-Oh, I think we just got scolded :yikes: :yikes:

[HuntinIN]

Jealous slugs? I think we are all envious, if I can speak for the other slugs. My only comment was it is strange to me that he used a crossbow.

[JL]

you see why people don't like this site you have got to put someone down that did better than you slugs you just can't be happy for a hunter that did it the right way i could see all the negative commits if it had been poached but here sits a bunch of men that have nothing to do but whinejealousy get you nowhere it makes you look stupidIf people don't like this site, they don't have to visit it. It's as simple as that. Perhaps you should go back through this thread and read ALL of the comments. There were many positive things said about this deer and the hunter.

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[QUOTE=buckhead a bunch of men that have nothing to do but whinejealousy get you nowhere it makes you look stupid[/QUOTE]...HaHa...I Think the Gang Here has Shot Some Nice Deer...In The GREAT State Of "INDIANA"...Home of the OBR!!!!;)

[buckhead]

If people don't like this site, they don't have to visit it. It's as simple as that. Perhaps you should go back through this thread and read ALL of the comments. There were many positive things said about this deer and the hunter. very true jl but every thread seems to go in the wrong direction everyones always got an opinion that maybe it hurts the sport or another fellow hunter that just took his life time dream buck put yourself in his position so it was a crossbow maybe he has a problem with his health i do have family that hunts with a cross bow during the early season i'd sure be PO'd if the comments were about them maybe the moderator needs to stop the negativity on here it would be more enjoyable that this could be for hunting and fishing and not some smartA's stupid remarks

[lilkrou]

This big deer has been officially scored...
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/News/schmuckerbuck.html

[fordgo6]

What a buck!!!!!!!!!! At least he was taken legally and not by a vehicle or poached!!! Congrats to him.