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500 Smith and Wesson Rifle loads?

Discussion in 'Reloading, Target Shooting, and Modern Firearms' started by goggleye57, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. I recently bought an H&R handi-rifle in 500 Smith and Wesson. For you ordinance experts out there- What would the best load be for deer size game? I plan to use it in southern Michigan and maybe Indiana. My hunting buddy is an avid reloader- What powder, what bullet?
     
  2. I would say, should it be allowed for use here, use factory ammo to start and build up a stock of brass before trying to reload it.

    Factory ammo will be more than sufficient for deer inside of 150yds.

    If, on the other hand, you are wanting to download for deer, then look at http://ammoguide.com/ , grab Petersons Metallic Cartridges, or join one of the handloading forums.

    I don't have any specific loading data handy.
     

  3. Just waiting for the word myself.

    I am currently sitting on a handfull of gift cards for Sportsmans Warehouse.
    If or when it becomes a legal deer rifle, I am all over it myself.
    ;)
    As already posted Ammoguide has about the biggest selection of reloading data.
     
  4. I asked an honest question about an honest topic- I want a reload to assemble a quick killing load more cheaply than a storebought load. If you aren't interested in talking about that- post in another thread
     
  5. Sigh.

    There is always a performance difference, either to the benefit or to the detriement when you reload. (I load some .38s that poke along at 500fps..)

    However, in pistol calibers it rarely to the significant increase in range. It is mostly in the increase in overall accuracy (based on the foibles of a particular gun) or delivered energy - i.e. pushing a heavier or harder (non expanding/dangerous game) bullet than commercially available.

    There is only so much you can do to a pistol caliber before you risk serious damage to the gun or yourself.

    Lets assume you can get a 300fps increase in velocity over factory spec by
    (A) using a long barreled gun (Carbine or Contender) and
    (B) tweaking the load density & powder.

    A factory 350gr .500 S&W pushes a .145 BC bullet at 1900fps from an 8" revolver. Add 100fps (maybe) for the longer barrel, so we are at 2000fps.

    The data looks like this: (200yd numbers bold)

    Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
    Bullet Weight (grains) 350 Ballistics Coefficient .145
    Muzzle Velocity (fps) 2000 Temperature 59
    Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
    Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

    Ballistics Table in Yards 350 gr., .145 bcs www.hornady.com

    Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
    Velocity (fps) 2000 1747 1520 1169 982 875 794
    Energy (ft.-lb.) 3108 2373 1795 1062 750 594 490
    Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 0.7 0.0 -13.9 -53.0 -125.8 -239.4
    Come Up (moa) -1.5 -1.3 0.0 6.6 16.9 30.0 45.7

    Increase the velocity by another 200fps (to 2200fps) and you get this:

    Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
    Bullet Weight (grains) 350 Ballistics Coefficient .145
    Muzzle Velocity (fps) 2200 Temperature 59
    Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
    Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

    Ballistics Table in Yards 350 gr., .145 bcs www.hornady.com

    Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
    Velocity (fps) 2200 1932 1685 1279 1036 910 822
    Energy (ft.-lb.) 3761 2900 2207 1271 835 643 525
    Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 0.4 0.0 -11.1 -43.6 -106.8 -207.7
    Come Up (moa) -1.5 -0.8 0.0 5.3 13.9 25.5 39.7

    Do the impossible and boost the velocity to 3000fps and you get this:

    Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
    Bullet Weight (grains) 350 Ballistics Coefficient .145
    Muzzle Velocity (fps) 3000 Temperature 59
    Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
    Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

    Ballistics Table in Yards 350 gr., .145 bcs www.hornady.com

    Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
    Velocity (fps) 3000 2678 2377 1836 1391 1094 943
    Energy (ft.-lb.) 6994 5571 4391 2619 1503 930 691
    Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 -0.1 0.0 -4.8 -20.2 -54.1 -115.7
    Come Up (moa) -1.5 0.3 0.0 2.3 6.4 12.9 22.1

    So, even with the "Best Case" (and gun exploding) Scenerio of 3000fps you still have 4.8" drop at 200yds.

    But what if we push an almost twice as heavy bullet (with a better BC) to 2000fps? (575fps faster than OEM):

    Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
    Bullet Weight (grains) 500 Ballistics Coefficient .185
    Muzzle Velocity (fps) 2000 Temperature 59
    Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
    Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

    Ballistics Table in Yards 500 gr., .185 bcs www.hornady.com

    Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
    Velocity (fps) 2000 1800 1615 1300 1088 965 882
    Energy (ft.-lb.) 4441 3597 2895 1878 1313 1034 864
    Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 0.6 0.0 -12.1 -44.9 -106.3 -202.4
    Come Up (moa) -1.5 -1.1 0.0 5.8 14.3 25.4 38.6

    Minus 12.1" at 200yds.

    The point is, pistol bullets have lousy BCs and fly like rocks - no matter how good of a handloader you are.
     
  6. thanks for the input!

    500 S&W 300 gr Evolution
    Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)Muzzle50 yd100 yd2075/28681885/23661706/1939Barrel Length (inches)- pointed tip

    any ideas on the trajectory or killing performance of this loading?

    We were also thinking about the Barnes xpb expanders - pushed fast enough would the 275 grain run pretty flat?

    50 S&W.500 275 gr.XPB Pistol.157.14150025,
    50 S&W.500 325 gr.XPB Pistol.186.22850026,
    50 S&W.500 375 gr.XPB Pistol.214.26150028
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2007
  7. Just for fun, I just did my 180gr .357 at 1900fps (I can really only get 1850 but let's push it).

    Zeroed at 100, 200 in bold.

    Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
    Bullet Weight (grains) 180 Ballistics Coefficient .232
    Muzzle Velocity (fps) 1900 Temperature 59
    Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
    Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

    Ballistics Table in Yards .357 180 gr., .232 bcs www.hornady.com

    Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
    Velocity (fps) 1900 1745 1600 1345 1151 1026 943
    Energy (ft.-lb.) 1443 1217 1023 723 530 421 356
    Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 0.7 0.0 -12.2 -43.8 -101.5 -190.7
    Come Up (moa) -1.5 -1.3 0.0 5.8 14.0 24.2 36.4

    Then we'll push a heavy, good BC .44 to gun destroying pressures:

    Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
    Bullet Weight (grains) 300 Ballistics Coefficient .245
    Muzzle Velocity (fps) 1600 Temperature 59
    Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
    Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

    Ballistics Table in Yards .44 300 gr., .245 bcs www.hornady.com

    Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
    Velocity (fps) 1600 1473 1357 1169 1043 959 895
    Energy (ft.-lb.) 1705 1445 1227 910 724 612 534
    Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 1.3 0.0 -17.5 -60.3 -134.4 -244.5
    Come Up (moa) -1.5 -2.4 0.0 8.3 19.2 32.1 46.7

    They still fly ike rocks, and are below 1000ftlbs at 200yds.
     
  8. Not expecting 30-06 performance - otherwise I'd be against it! :)
     
  9. :yikes: too many statistics! You really know your stuff Ironsights.
     
  10. I don't think you can get the Evolution as a component yet. Since they don't, they don't list the BC, so I can't run the calcs.

    Barnes bullets are really good bullets. Assuming that the BCs listed are .157, .186 and .214 and picking velocities similar to above:

    Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
    Bullet Weight (grains) 275 Ballistics Coefficient .157
    Muzzle Velocity (fps) 2200 Temperature 59
    Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
    Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

    Ballistics Table in Yards .500 275 gr., .157 bcs www.hornady.com

    Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
    Velocity (fps) 2200 1951 1721 1332 1078 942 853
    Energy (ft.-lb.) 2955 2325 1809 1083 709 542 444
    Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 0.4 0.0 -10.5 -40.9 -100.2 -195.0
    Come Up (moa) -1.5 -0.8 0.0 5.0 13.0 23.9 37.2

    Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
    Bullet Weight (grains) 325 Ballistics Coefficient .186
    Muzzle Velocity (fps) 2100 Temperature 59
    Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
    Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

    Ballistics Table in Yards .500 325 gr., .186 bcs www.hornady.com

    Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
    Velocity (fps) 2100 1895 1703 1371 1131 991 902
    Energy (ft.-lb.) 3182 2591 2093 1356 923 709 587
    Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 0.5 0.0 -10.7 -40.1 -96.3 -185.6
    Come Up (moa) -1.5 -0.9 0.0 5.1 12.8 23.0 35.4

    Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
    Bullet Weight (grains) 375 Ballistics Coefficient .214
    Muzzle Velocity (fps) 2000 Temperature 59
    Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
    Zero Range (yards) 100 Wind Speed (mph) 0

    Ballistics Table in Yards .500 375 gr., .214 bcs www.hornady.com

    Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
    Velocity (fps) 2000 1826 1663 1377 1160 1024 935
    Energy (ft.-lb.) 3331 2777 2304 1579 1121 872 728
    Trajectory (100 yd. zero) -1.5 0.6 0.0 -11.2 -41.0 -96.4 -183.4
    Come Up (moa) -1.5 -1.1 0.0 5.4 13.0 23.0 35.0

    Website Ballistic Calculator is really easy to run.

    http://www.hornady.com/ballistics/ballistics_calculator.php

    Have fun!
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 30, 2007
  11. Nah, I just know how to look stuff up properly. :tongue:
     
  12. I'll tell ya, the more I play with L'ilGun "shotgun" powder, the more I like it.

    Those are some nice loads there.

    Do notice though that their data is on the Low End for certain calibers/pressures because of platform compatability.

    For example, their .357 Rifle data is all lower velocity/pressure than their Pistol data... because you will shred a Win 1873 Clone with modern +P pistol loads...
     
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  13. A handirifle ought to be able to take the higher pressures?