Sceptical is an understatement.Dean Weimer said:That's just it Scarlet. I realize that doing cementum annuli on several thousand deer isn't practical, but if they are going to use eruption tooth wear method, when and where are they doing it at? I've heard that the only time that they do it is during opening weekend of firearms season. Why not all season long??? I have watched a DNR person "age" deer before in Allen County. He looked inside of Adam O'Connors bucks mouth and said "no older than 4.5", but this is a buck that we know for a fact was at least 5.5, so I am not impressed in the least. He looked in the mouth for a whole 3-5 seconds. HUH??????
By what you said above...Are you a little skeptical of these methods that the DNR uses????
\Scarlet Dew said:Sceptical is an understatement.
After going to a Forum meeting for hunters in Plymouth Indiana several years back concerning deer/doe permits and such.......and we all watched Jim Mitchell starting to literally fall asleep.......(no I am not kidding) at the table in front of us as one of his other workers was gathering and commenting on our round-table ideas..........I lost all faith in that idiot and our state DNR reps. The look on his face as he was confronted on nodding off in front of 150+ people..............priceless.
And get this...........from that year forward all input was taken out of Forums put into 1:1 settings........which I then was told in the 1:1 setting by the State DNR rep...."you shouldn't be thinking that way".......And he was suppose to be there just gathering feedback!!!!!!!!!!!!! Interestingly enough his question was what was my position on the current "Farmer Depredation Permit System"..........my answer was....."I at least thought it would be good for the health of the area herd for the rep authorizing the # of Deps to at least show up on the damn farm and assess the situation before authorizing 12 deps when you could go a whole season and not see 12 deer!!!!!!!!!! And I get told "you shouldn't be thinking that way".
Yes............sceptical of DNR, sceptical of DNR leadership, sceptical of DNR leadership agenda, sceptical of how they collect data for their agenda...etc, etc.
Pretty potent to say...........but dang it.........OBR is a nugget they gave us with no promises attached and I just haven't found any printed material from Mitchel saying he has even noticed the slightest positive trend with OBR.......even though he has been given AMPLE opportunity to say the #'s show gain in what OBR was set out to do.
And yes I'll say it again..............he was falling asleep in front of us all.
"The OBR almost forces this to happen"?Dean Weimer said:I see your trend..is it good or bad???? I don't have much faith in your graphs, and/or the DNR methods of compiling their data. It doesn't surprise me if the number of 2.5 year old bucks is increasing every year. The OBR almost "forces" this too happen.
Yep... and it has been on a steady increase ever since.You and i both know that the reason this started to increase just prior to the OBR being implemented is because the doe system was opened up in the mid nineties.
I don't know , but I'm sure inetrested in knowing.Do you know what percentage of Indiana's hunters only harvest one deer/year??? I am a member of Blufflands Whitetails Assoc. in SE Minnesota. I got my monthly newsletter in the mail today and a DNR official there said that 82% of Minnesota's deer hunters harvest one deer per year and then they are done. I'm interested to see what this number is in Indiana...