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I'm looking to lease an area anywhere in Indiana during muzzleloader season only. If anyone has an interest in this or knows someone in this position please have them contact me.

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Why lease? Don't you know anyone? I mean if more people start leasing, then there will be no more private ground to hunt. I don't think that the father who hunts on his friend's land,, that used to be his friend's dad's land wants to have to pay to hunt. That is what video games are for. Hunting is not about paying. Hunt state land. There are enormous deer on our state land you just have to be very dedicated to the idea to see or take one of them.:coolgleam
 

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Why lease? Don't you know anyone? I mean if more people start leasing, then there will be no more private ground to hunt. I don't think that the father who hunts on his friend's land,, that used to be his friend's dad's land wants to have to pay to hunt. That is what video games are for. Hunting is not about paying. Hunt state land. There are enormous deer on our state land you just have to be very dedicated to the idea to see or take one of them.:coolgleam
While I value your opinion the idea of not having my tree stand stolen or to take to time to scout out a great spot on public land only to have some come and and sit down 50 yards away... My solution is private posted land that I either own, lease, or have exclusive written permission to hunt.
 

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longbarrel said:
Why lease? Don't you know anyone? I mean if more people start leasing, then there will be no more private ground to hunt. I don't think that the father who hunts on his friend's land,, that used to be his friend's dad's land wants to have to pay to hunt. That is what video games are for. Hunting is not about paying. Hunt state land. There are enormous deer on our state land you just have to be very dedicated to the idea to see or take one of them.:coolgleam
You gotta remember longbarrel, not everyone has 500 acres to hunt on like some people.
 

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You gotta remember longbarrel, not everyone has 500 acres to hunt on like some people.
Agreed. Not everyone knows somebody who has a place for them to hunt, and getting permission from someone you do not know has become very tough to do over the years. Usually the people who are nice enough to give you permission, also give everyone else and their brother permission and not only do you scare deer to the next county, but it gets to be a safety issue. I dont lease land but have absolutely nothing against people who can afford to do it. I know if i had to choose from state land or leasing, id lease.
 

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While I value your opinion the idea of not having my tree stand stolen or to take to time to scout out a great spot on public land only to have some one come in and and sit down 50 yards away on opening morning... My solution is private posted land that I either own, lease, or have exclusive written permission to hunt.
This also gives me an opportunity to bring my children into hunting in a safe, sane environment. I have heard to many "Saving Private Ryan" firefights on opneing day in the Hoosier National Forest or Morgan-Monroe State Forest to bring my son and daughter into and be comfortable. To assume that I've not hunted public land in my past is incorrect and to again assume I've got hundreds of acres of private land at my disposal is also incorrect. I'm like many of you who takes vacation time (away from the family) to scout, and hunt so I'd like to know my efforts will at least produce a safe stress free hunting experience.
 

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There are pro's and con's to this issue, but the sad fact is, LEASING is the new wave of the future. You either need to accept it or your gonna have alot of heartburn.

There is some great deer hunting on some of our state properties, but if your looking for year round involvement, you gotta have land locked up. For those that currently have "free" exclusive permission, you should be looking out for the long term, and make your deal now, before someone else comes knocking.
 

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land leasing!!

for those of you who do lease land what is the best way to find out where it is? do you run an ad in the papers or just hear from someone. and do you have signed contracts for the lease or is it a hand shake. some of these older farmers are afraid to even sign you a permission slip to show proof you have permission. any tips out there on the proper way to approach a landowner? i know for a fact it's getting harder to find private land to hunt on and leasing is the way to go in the future. and i will guarentee if you leave your deer stand on public land it will not be there when you return. sad but true.
 

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I have always used the newspaper and a paid advetisement, I identified the county then found the newspaper that had the largest circulation in the area.

I would use the Sports section and purchase at least a 4x6 ad in that area. My ad would read.....................

Tired of hunting public land.......... will respect your property and rules, willing to work or pay for hunting privledge. Belong to these National and State organizations................... Call collect evenings to discuss 317 XXX XXXX.

The call collect was always most important as the landowner did not have anything "invested" in talking to me.

The last ad was in Owen county and resulted in over 3000 acres that I continue to have permission on. and we never looked at that much or more we were contacted about. ALL for $95.00


Large BOLD adds not in the want ad section.........

Pay for the ad not wasting gas driving around to knocking doors and getting a .......... NO!!! Go visit folks who want to talk with you!
 

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Indianahunter said:
I'm looking to lease an area anywhere in Indiana during muzzleloader season only. If anyone has an interest in this or knows someone in this position please have them contact me.

Pat Allen
Drop me a line. I have a deer problem up here.
 

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the only way i would hunt public land is bowhunting. gunhunting.............forget, it i'll stay home 1st. i've tried it in the past and it's not worth the trouble and it's unsafe. you'll scout out an area and opening day there will be 10 to 20 orange vest within a short distance of you that'll shoot at anything that moves. no thanks. if you can afford it there's nothing wrong with leasing a nice farm to feel safe. i would never leave a stand on public ground. you might as well sit it out with a sign that says FREE TO TAKE.
 

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when you do find property to lease or pay do you get a contract made up? any pointers on that?
The Lease Agreement
The lease agreement should be viewed as a partnership for long-term management of wildlife resources. The landowners' long-term interest may best be served by a lower lease fee that will accommodate lessee longevity and the welfare of the wildlife resource. Consult with state wildlife biologists for current lease fees in your locality.

The lease agreement protects the rights of both the landowner and the hunters and should detail:
  • property boundaries
  • duration of the lease
  • lease fee
  • animal species which can be hunted
  • hunting rights retained by the landowner and family
  • game harvest limits or species
  • number of club members and guests
  • provisions for cancellation by either party.
Most hunting clubs are interested in a long-term arrangement that guarantees them a place to hunt. Leases are usually renewed annually and should contain provisions giving the hunting club rights of first refusal if the lessor wishes to change lease conditions, especially the lease fee.

The lease agreement should also identify prohibited activities, such as:
  • camping
  • fishing
  • firewood cutting
  • building of stands
  • wet-weather road use.
A properly prepared lease agreement will prevent most conflicts between landowners and hunters. When entering into a legal binding agreement, an attorney should be consulted.

The sport of hunting is becomming more & more Complicated each year!
 

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the only way i would hunt public land is bowhunting. gunhunting.............forget, it i'll stay home 1st. i've tried it in the past and it's not worth the trouble and it's unsafe. you'll scout out an area and opening day there will be 10 to 20 orange vest within a short distance of you that'll shoot at anything that moves. no thanks. if you can afford it there's nothing wrong with leasing a nice farm to feel safe. i would never leave a stand on public ground. you might as well sit it out with a sign that says FREE TO TAKE.
I hunt on public land and have had good success with it. Note: the land that I hunt is land locked by private land, so it does not see much pressure. There are only two private landowners that let folks through, me on one piece and another guy on another piece. Every once in a while, you will see someone else out there, knowing that they had to trespass to get to it.
I have shot several decent bucks, nothing B&C, but not spikes either! I also leave out a ladder stand that is locked onto the tree and (knock on wood), there have not been any problems thus far!
 

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I agree that today farmers need money compensation for the use of their land. They have no need for christmas fruit baskets or a hand shake and hello anymore. Todays farmers need money to survive in a world that tells them how much they get for their product. If we could tell everyone how much we were going to pay for a product gas wouldnt be 3.00 dollars a gallon. However, I have mixed emotions about leasing. At what point does the average joe blue collar guy get bumped off his land because a high roller leased it up. Access is getting smaller and smaller and before you know it hunting could become a rich mans sport. I am no rich man but cant stand the thought of not getting to hunt because i cant compete monetarily with others. Where does it all end. Wave of the future is something i read in another persons post, when does that wave become a devastating Tsunami that destroys hunting for those of us working class people? Just a thought.
 

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I hunt on public land and have had good success with it. Note: the land that I hunt is land locked by private land, so it does not see much pressure. There are only two private landowners that let folks through, me on one piece and another guy on another piece. Every once in a while, you will see someone else out there, knowing that they had to trespass to get to it.
I have shot several decent bucks, nothing B&C, but not spikes either! I also leave out a ladder stand that is locked onto the tree and (knock on wood), there have not been any problems thus far!
i believe you lilkrou. i know it is very possible if a person spends the time to search out those places on public ground. i admit i have not did that kind of homework to find those kind of spots. you are lucky to not have your stand stolen. i've had one stolen and know several people who have too. mabe that's the key to find a place to get a pass through where no one else can.
 

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I agree that today farmers need money compensation for the use of their land. They have no need for christmas fruit baskets or a hand shake and hello anymore. Todays farmers need money to survive in a world that tells them how much they get for their product. If we could tell everyone how much we were going to pay for a product gas wouldnt be 3.00 dollars a gallon. However, I have mixed emotions about leasing. At what point does the average joe blue collar guy get bumped off his land because a high roller leased it up. Access is getting smaller and smaller and before you know it hunting could become a rich mans sport. I am no rich man but cant stand the thought of not getting to hunt because i cant compete monetarily with others. Where does it all end. Wave of the future is something i read in another persons post, when does that wave become a devastating Tsunami that destroys hunting for those of us working class people? Just a thought.
i think there are a lot of variables why a person would lease. i'll use myself for an example. i live here in indiana with no family up here. so there's no family to hunt on their land. i hunt a military base here so i haven't had to persue private land. but if i did not i woiuld have to persue a lease to hunt close but even then if you want to keep from losing it your going to have to have some sort of contract to keep from losing it to someone. let's face it if you lease say 300 acres and you pay a minimum of 900 to 1,000 a yr. which would be cheap in some places. then someone here's all the improvements you've made and offers the farmer 1,600 a yr. what do you think he's going to do if there's no contract? the fact of the matter is it is becoming an expensive sport. i just think it is evolving and mabe won't ever end. on the classified ads here on this web sight there was an ad for about 65 acres in michigan that said great hunting 149,000 dollars. give me a break. i don't know where all this is leading but not every body can afford to buy their own hunting land. not everyone has the contacts to gain private access. but it can be done. weather we want to face whats going on or not things are changing. ask your self this. the property i have now will i still have that spot 5 yr. from now? who can say. i read a post on here not to long ago where someone had permission to hunt a certain farm an helped the guy do improvements put in food plots for a couple 3 yrs. started seeing nice bucks then the farmer said he was only going to let his family hunt. now that's real rewarding.
 

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i believe you lilkrou. i know it is very possible if a person spends the time to search out those places on public ground. i admit i have not did that kind of homework to find those kind of spots. you are lucky to not have your stand stolen. i've had one stolen and know several people who have too. mabe that's the key to find a place to get a pass through where no one else can.
The funny thing is that before I had to search out where I hunt now (public ground as mentioned earlier in the thread), I hunted on 120 acres of private property in Marshall County and put out a stand in the middle of the property. Came out a few days later for opening day and could not find the stand (I thought that I was in the wrong area!), come to find out it was stolen. I checked with the property owner (who was a lady in her 60's) and her son (with whom I am good friends with) and they both knew nothing about it.
Another time in Kosciusco County, same scenario...less than 100 yards behind the in-laws house. Stolen...now if that doesn't just really suck!
 
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