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The “Zaft Buck”

Discussion in 'Indiana Whitetail Hunting' started by BREWERSVILLE OUTFITTERS, Mar 10, 2007.

  1. The "World record" thread brought up a question about common bases. the most famous one was when the "Zaft Buck" was measured.

    The “Zaft Buck” revisited

    [​IMG]Zaft Buck Denied World Record

    The Pope & Young Club's final word on this potential archery world record isn't the one Alberta bowhunter Wayne Zaft was hoping for.

    By Gordon Whittington

    The Pope & Young Club has ruled that a giant Alberta whitetail arrowed by Wayne Zaft on Oct. 8, 2001, falls far short of the world-record score at which the deer had been entered into the bowhunting organization's record book.

    The Zaft buck, which was shot in the bow-only zone near Edmonton, had been officially measured at 206 7/8 net typical and entered into P&Y's records at that score. Had the score been upheld, the deer would have become No. 1 over Mel Johson's 204 4/8-inch Illinois buck, which has stood as the archery record for almost 40 years.

    At the time the Zaft buck was entered, the burning question was whether or not the club would accept the rack as a basic 6x5 typical. To do that, the panel would need to agree with original measurer Dave Paplawski's ruling that a pair of "common-base" points on the right antler both were typical. The panel DISAGREED, ruling the more forward of those points is non-typical. This decision resulted in a significant loss of measurable antler on the typical frame, as well as much higher deductions for asymmetry. When the new net score was calculated, it dropped all the way to 172 5/8. The net non-typical score would be 210 1/8.

    As a result of the panel's decision, Wayne has notified P&Y that he does not want the buck listed in the club's records in either category. Nor will he list his trophy in the record book of the Boone and Crockett Club, which already has notified the hunter that it will accept the P&Y panel score, rather than have its own panel verify the score at its 2004 convention in Kansas City.
    Despite the loss of more than 30 inches off the original net score, even at 172 5/8 the Zaft buck would have qualified for inclusion in the all-time B&C records, which have a minimum qualifying mark of 170 net for typicals.

    Had the original score of 206 7/8 been accepted by B&C, the deer would have ranked No. 2 in that club's typical listings. Only Milo Hanson's 213 5/8-inch world record, downed with a rifle near Biggar, Saskatchewan, in 1993, has been certified as scoring higher. The current No. 2 typical in the B&C records is James Jordan's 206 1/8-inch rifle kill, which was shot in Burnett County, Wisconsin, back in 1914. The Zaft buck will remain listed in the Alberta record book, which already has accepted the 206 7/8 score as submitted. There reportedly are no plans to lower it on the basis of the P&Y or B&C decisions. For a detailed comparison of the entry and panel measurements of the Zaft buck

    Comparing the Zaft buck's 60-day entry score and ultimate P&Y panel score shows several differences of opinion in scoring, as well as what are presumably the effects of shrinkage during the 15 months between the two scoring sessions.

    What prevented the deer from having a net typical score in excess of 200 inches? In the panel's view, it was the point called the right G-3 tine on the entry score. The panel ruled that this point, the longest on the rack, is actually abnormal.

    Reclassified as abnormal, it went from adding 14 5/8 inches to the typical score to subtracting 14 0/8 inches from it, in itself resulting in a net score swing of nearly 30 inches.

    The panel's total reduction of net score from the original was 34 5/8 inches. Here's how the "before" and "after" score sheets compare:

    TOTAL POINTS (R, L): 7,6 entry; 7,6 panel
    TIP TO TIP SPREAD: 11 3/8 entry; 11 2/8 panel
    GREATEST SPREAD: 24 3/8 entry; 24 2/8 panel
    INSIDE SPREAD: 20 7/8 entry; 20 5/8 panel
    ABNORMAL POINTS: 1 0/8, 3 0/8 entry; 14 0/8, 1 1/8, 3 5/8 panel
    MAIN BEAMS: 28 6/8, 27 7/8 entry; 27 3/8, 27 2/8 panel
    G-1 TINES: 9 0/8, 10 1/8 entry; 9 1/8, 10 1/8 panel
    G-2 TINES: 13 0/8, 13 0/8 entry; 13 2/8, 12 7/8 panel
    G-3 TINES: 14 5/8, 13 6/8 entry; 12 4/8, 13 7/8 panel
    G-4 TINES: 12 3/8, 10 5/8 entry; 4 4/8, 10 6/8 panel
    G-5 TINES: 4 3/8, 0 0/8 entry; 0 0/8, 0 0/8 panel
    H-1 CIRCUMFERENCES: 5 2/8, 5 3/8 entry; 5 1/8, 5 2/8 panel
    H-2 CIRCUMFERENCES: 4 7/8, 4 7/8 entry; 4 6/8, 4 7/8 panel
    H-3 CIRCUMFERENCES: 8 4/8, 5 7/8 entry; 4 6/8, 5 6/8 panel
    H-4 CIRCUMFERENCES: 4 6/8, 4 7/8 entry; 4 4/8, 4 7/8 panel
    RIGHT ANTLER TYPICAL TOTAL: 105 4/8 entry; 85 7/8 panel
    LEFT ANTLER TYPICAL TOTAL: 96 3/8 entry; 95 5/8 panel
    DIFFERENCE: 15 7/8 entry; 29 4/8 panel
    GROSS TYPICAL SCORE: 222 6/8 entry; 202 1/8 panel
    FINAL SCORE: 206 7/8 entry; 172 5/8 panel (210 1/8 non-typical)
    :coco: :coco: :coco:
  2. my opinion dont care what they net the gross score is what i look at

  3. Pope and Young's rules process was defined long ago. Unfortunately for Zaft, rules are rules. But again, I say, who really cares what the buck scores? To even glimps a buck of that caliber is something truly special. Most of us will never see a buck that approaches world record status...let alone get a shot at one. Congratulations to Wayne again, on a fantastic buck.
  4. I think the figure eight rule is a fairly recent change. Not sure exactly when though. Maybe Scott knows.

    They used to allow the figure 3. Which is an identation on one side and flat on the other side.

    IOW - If the two tines were seprated on one side and not the other then it was OK. Now they have to be seperated - figure 8.

    There are some bucks in the books that had the same tine configuration as the Zaft buck, but they came in under the old figure 3 rule.

    But you are right, it is a tremendous buck no matter what P & Y says.
  5. Hmmm...

    From the pictures I have seen of the Zaft buck it doesn't look like the situation is any different from that of the Curt Van Lith buck, which had a common base points on each side that were counted as typical.... All points were counted as typical including the forked one on the deer's right side. :coco: :coco: :coco:

  6. Dean, Dean, Dean....Bucks of that caliber have been out there for years. We see them all the time around here. But with the OBR we can only kill 1 at a time per year. It takes time to get them all. You have to know where they are and how to hunt them. I echo everyone's opinion...that is one great buck.
  7. Yeah, yeah, yeah..I know Randy. Yet another reason to hate the One Buck Rule....only getting a crack at one 200" Typical per year. I know those giant200-220" Typicals have been out there all along Randy...that's why the record book is just chocked full of them. "All one needs to do is hunt them......"
  8. I am not sure when/if it changed. I do know that in 1997 when I took the HRB class a "C" counted and when I took the B&C class in 2005 it did not. I immediately clarified this difference with the HRB chairman and he assured me that all record books, including HRB, require the figure 8.

  9. They must have had a diffferent ruling back in 1986 according to the post made by brewersville.

    How can that buck be number 2 and Zaft's buck is basically thrown out?

    The Zaft buck comes a lot closer to being typical than that one.