Well, again we (those who attended the Grant Woods seminar last evening) heard from a professional, unbiased whitetail, expert biologist that the One Buck Rule is good for herd management, etc. But, still, "experts" don't agree with a true professional...for whatever reasons. Things that others are saying and why.... 1) An age shift was evident prior to the OBR. No kidding....and it's just like Grant Woods said last night. When surplus does are harvested this pulls the sex ratios closer, causing the average age of bucks to slowly increase. Couple this with the fact that more bucks escaped harvesting because hunters were able to satisfy their need for venison with does. Pretty simple. If more hunters harvested does; beginning prior to the OBR, it only stands to reason that an age shift had started. Since the institution of the OBR this age structure shift has become even more so pronounced. Very simple stuff..... 2) There is no discernible decrease in numbers of bucks killed annually since OBR. No kidding......As more bucks became present in the overall herd (see above) their availability increased. Folks, there are more bucks present in the overall statewide herd (as a % of the herd itself) now than ever before. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of bucks killed increased from here on out. Why??? Because there are so many more of them available in the herd. Also, lets not forget that more fawns and 1.5 year old yearlings are being recruited into the herd every year. Again, very simple stuff.....If more bucks are present in the herd then people will have better opportunities to harvest ONE. 3) The One Buck Rule isn't having any effect on the age structure of bucks in Indiana. This one slays me!!!!! I've never, ever stated that hunters haven't become more selective in recent years. Mature buck management is more popular now than ever before. But, if anyone for even one second doesn't think that part of the reason that the age shift has improved even faster, and more visibly since its inception is just plain blind. It's really common sense. The OBR is working directly and indirectly. 4) The deer hunters are changing as a result of maturity. I don't know anyone who is getting any younger, do you? Could we not say this about deer hunters in Indiana since 1951. Haven't hunters always been getting older annually? Despite all the doom and gloom from various individuals out there, kids are still taking up hunting. I hear countless times that hunters are losing numbers at an alarming rate. Sure wish someone would show me hard factual evidence to prove this..... 5) Leasing will overtake our state if we become a "big buck" state. O.K. so leasing has its cons (as well as pros). Don't look now everyone, but Indiana is becoming a "big buck" state. But, don't forget that there are thousands upon thousands of acres that are NOT being leased here. And also, not all of Iowa and Illinois are (contrary to what others are saying) currently being leased. And the outfitters--yes, those groups in prime parts of the MW that are actually manageing their herds properly--aren't the evil that some try to portray them to be. 6) Going back to a two buck limit won't change this age structure improvement. Please tell me that you don't really believe this. The thing that bothers me the most on this is that those who state this obvious falsity are some of the same ones who don't want to shoot does. "Being able to kill two bucks will help in herd management". Please also tell me that you don't believe this B.S. Again, common sense...or lack thereof. They say that the herd is growing fast now (but don't "survey" the herd any longer so how do we really know how many are out there?)...so how will being able to harvest a second buck do anything long term to herd management? This is backwards!!!!! Remember, proper, long term management of a deer herd is done through a sustained and continuing DOE harvest, not buck harvest. 7) Indiana has always had big, mature bucks within its borders. Sure, there have always no doubt been some big bucks. But, why didn't large numbers of them turn up for the Hoosier Record Buck Program over the years? This is simple...they weren't there in any numbers, otherwise we would have seen more of them. Again, very simple, common sense stuff. The whitetail herd is in the best shape that it ever has been in the history of deer hunting in Indiana ever. We have plenty of deer with many more mature bucks to harvest; we're recruiting more button buck fawns than ever before, the buck:doe ratio is closer now than ever. Why can't people understand this and just accept this and realize that all these management changes are what brought this about?